congratulations @[Rakesh]
Just posted a thread. Do check it out for ideas and execution behind the card
https://x.com/rakesh_pulapa/status/1908184146435870734?s=46
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i agree - we are on the right track and we need to continue on this track
The points by @[Articulate] right under last quoted post is important too, on the subject of (particularly *new*) artists' emotional safety in order to create and contribute work.
As a community it will be up to us to create an environment that encourages separation of criticism from critique, and to show that we champion expression and experimentation at the same time that we believe in artists' abilities to do their best work — even in cases where they have some "woodshedding" to do to improve their skills or ability to read the room or any number of factors that can help them level up their art game.
IMO we are on the right track in co-creating a cool space where votes can be withdrawn and constructive feedback levied without also making a ruthless frat party that repels the sensitive or shy creators from showing what they're workin with.
More can be done in this direction: from simple encouragement by individuals to communicate "you're doing well in X but Y could use polish" ... to establishing sub-communities that can assist with Artist Development. But so far so good, also.
what is he actually talking about?
for now, we can consider this socially that ok something may not be the choice for The Memes right now but it does not mean it should not be minted somewhere
at that point it is a win-win-win all around for everyone
at that point it is a win-win-win all around for everyone
That seems like an awesome option 💛
cc: @[simo] @[GelatoGenesis] @[6529er] @[DarrenSRS] @[teexels] @[ragne] @[prxt0]
I think the end-state (we are just not ready to support it yet technically) is that another contract (either 1/1 or edition or Stream, I need to think about it) is a great alternative outcome for the submissions
Like how I could imagine this working is the following
1/ someone submits
2/ for X period (say XX days) is is exclusively for the The Memes
3/ after XX days, another button appears where people can bid/pre-bid etc that they would mint it on the other contract
4/ At any point in time, the artist can say "OK, off we go there"
5/ This to me seems like the end state because there are many pieces that I may think "not the best choice for The Memes tomorrow" but they should be minted and I and/or others might be willing to mint them
There are a bunch of other details to be looked at but I think this is where we end up
I think the end-state (we are just not ready to support it yet technically) is that another contract (either 1/1 or edition or Stream, I need to think about it) is a great alternative outcome for the submissions
Like how I could imagine this working is the following
1/ someone submits
2/ for X period (say XX days) is is exclusively for the The Memes
3/ after XX days, another button appears where people can bid/pre-bid etc that they would mint it on the other contract
4/ At any point in time, the artist can say "OK, off we go there"
5/ This to me seems like the end state because there are many pieces that I may think "not the best choice for The Memes tomorrow" but they should be minted and I and/or others might be willing to mint them
There are a bunch of other details to be looked at but I think this is where we end up
So - we’re aligned
This has ALSO been my constructive observation in the past, and it remains, that the ruthlessness of the process, while necessary, lacks emotional nuance for those of us who like that
I’ve come around to the strong opinion that it’s the 6529 community, not punk himself, who are best placed to provide the emotional safety for artists to put their work up, watch the votes go up and then down, miss out etc
The transparency is “good for humanity” but “bad for artist’s feelings” because our failures will be very public
Of course this is the case with all art and etc - yes
But anyway, that’s why I strongly believe in, and am trying to emulate, lifting up all the submissions with love in the chat.
Because goodness knows the voting is going to be a necessary bloodbath
… and I hope that lands with integrity because I have skin in the game
But anyway
No matter how it lands, that’s my take
just move the slider
I see. Can you explain more the TDH removal from votes? I am having troubles to find it in the chat above
what we have to decide is ~ 150x/year what we want to mint on The Memes
deciding what art is "good" or "bad" is anyway impossible and we are not trying to do that
which seems like it is a similar question but it is actually a very different question
i think it is very very important that we socially construct that we are not voting on "if a piece of art is good or not" because that is not the purpose of this wave.
The purpose of this wave is "what should we mint on The Memes contract on the next card"
there was no greater meaning than "what do we think would be the best fit for Monday"
every time we made that decision, we were in effect "reallocating votes"
each week @[6529er] would look at the available cards and make a decision about the next week, based on vibes in the world at large, in CT, in 6529 world and the specific cards ready
we are just making transparent a process that was happening anyway
I agree completely!
I just wanted to share my thoughts on removing TDH from votes
It is an essential part of the process and as a community we will need to come to terms with how it feels to both do it as a voter and to have it done to our submissions as an artist
It’s entirely a feature and not a bug, and I say that as someone who has a lot of votes to lose!
There is no shame in rotating your TDH votes between pieces
For the artists - you’re never more than 48 hours away from being in the top spot
It’s actually the perfect distillation of the 6529 approach: elegant, robust, meaningful, effective, efficient, thoughtful, and because of the first features, it’s also ruthless
It’s a true microcosm of evolution
Anyway. I stand to lose by posting this but I stand by the sentiment.
It’s ok to rotate your votes - its actually essential
intentional!
One thing I hope and am pretty certain was intentional, is that the memes have a much higher time frame focus and it’s so much better than the CT trenches
we should make this more clear @[prxt0]
not withstanding yalls discussion and suggestions, it does say at the top under mint for me/mint for fren 'no spots in current phase for this address' which is because your 1 eligible spot was already AD'd to you. but i agree it could likely be more clear
on the list
it would be nice to have a quick method of resetting my TDH voting power to zero
currently if i allocate TDH to several cards during voting, and then I decide I want to give it all to one card... it takes a while to go back and find each submission and change my TDH vote
instead there should just be a "clear all" button that resets the TDH voting power to zero
treated as an edition of 1000
yes
Do NextGen Pebbles count toward TDH ?
incredible
that looks totally sick
Network lunch with @[david]. What a phenomenal start to SZN 11.
that's it, decentralized curation is CANCELLED! time to delete the wave!
Sorry to waste your time Chief Complainooorr, but this noob complainooorr @[6529er] is now complaining that I called his complaint a complaint! 😂
both sama and dario are saying the same thing
ASI in 2-3
we will have it in a year
yes it is done internally
I think its already done...and now the stage managing is happening. Ever since CIA went on the team
practice your love-y eyes
yes and I find this very hard to conceptually imagine... except maybe I need to learn how to purr in robot language
we will have AGI within a year
i genuinely believe that
window is closed
Thanks for sharing. End of the article was most interesting to me, and his "two most important issues" really are one: trust Which is why I continue to think 6529 is one of the most important projects going on in crypto right now. Proof of values as metric for trustworthiness to uphold those values. I wonder if anyone else is doing the same across other value sets which have a chance of holding up in a the post-AI world. Suppose I didn't uphold the 6529 value set, and want to gather like-minded individuals. Is that even still possible? Do I have time to start now, or must I take a time machine back a couple years and start writing my own set of compelling threads? If the window isn't already closed, it certainly will be very, very soon.
the good outcome for the AIs is that they think we are good pets and take good care of us!
interesting will read... what I took from a YT watched earlier this week was that AI's are going to be more like managers than employees.... I had conceptually had it the other way around.
takes notes
"immediate ban BSY from Bora Bora network state"
Ser, I think you are more like "Nebraska network state"
hey if it gets me into the Bora Bora network state then I'm all for it 😂
yes
fwiw, punk says Balaji is a great friend of his and will come along for the ride when the time is right
it is a perpetual problem with dynamic NFTs
yes that is it. we need to think how to manage this
That one, and a couple others, I need to hit play to see the submission. I wonder if that has an impact in suppressing votes just by less eyes on it? maybe people skip past it?
all depends on how many P0 minted
Can someone help me out... If this was my position in P1, shouldn't I have minted the card today? Forgive me, just trying to figure out if I was too far back or did something wrong I need to correct in the future. 
"no internet service has ever died from too much demand"
The scaling question.
you are right. I have been thinking about it since it dropped. gave it a boost to see if we can get more attention on it but I agree it is very good
https://6529.io/my-stream?wave=b6128077-ea78-4dd9-b381-52c4eadb2077&drop=098ee3fd-2af8-406d-949a-3fd0ea84678d
can't believe we are such elitists
i'm sick forgive me that made no sense
why are we worried about this? We have gotten plenty of good artists to mint and I am not going around promising or hinting at promising that people can mint cards with XXXETH "market cap".
very few artists can achieve those market caps and almost every artist that drops with us achieves a higher "market cap" for their card than if they would have minted by themselves
IMO the unlock will be when a new artist that hasn’t yet dropped with the meme sees such success.
Let me answer this question a few different ways:
1/ Everyone "smart about NFTs" has told me this every SZN since SZN1. (OK, it is being good so far now we should stop minting to "preserve value" or "because the NFTs are not going to be good anymore") and I am pretty sure we are the only meaningful collection that spent the whole bear market up in aggregate vs mint ( Even before your buys @[DGMD]), whereas almost every other art piece one could have could 2022 to present has literally zero bid on it.
I have no idea what will happen to the price in the future, but so far the "this is going to be a disaster" people in this specific case have been wrong.
2/ The reason of course is that nobody has the ability to stop "supply". When an artist mints 50 pieces on FND and then "stops minting to preserve supply" which of the following two things happens:
a) everyone kills themselves to push the price of those 50 things to the moon
OR
b) There are nonetheless 50,000 other NFTs minted that day and 5,000,000 meme coins and the market attention moves elsewhere, everyone forgets the artist and their collection exists and the standing bid is literally 0.000
I don't think you can apply The Lost Robbies or XCOPY SR12 logic to activity in the 2020s
2/ Who is the most valued, desirable and internet-native artist? XCOPY I think. Which 1/1 artists mints the most pieces by far, on every platform, in every format, at every supply? Also XCOPY.
Is the fact that there is only 1/1 artist who has a constantly liquid and actively and high market cap is also the highest supply one:
a) some random weird data point that we should discard
OR
b) because he understands the medium is a scaled, networked medium and to succeed you need scale, you need onramps not just for fancy pants collectors like me who are willing to spend 300 ETH for a 1/1 but also constantly lower priced sub 1-ETH entry points
3/ What is the highest valued edition collection in the world by far: Rare Pepes
How many tokens did the rare pepes mints? 1774
Is the fact that the absolutely massive RP collection is the highest valued edition collection by an order of magnitude
a) some random weird data point that we should discard
OR
b) because RPs understood the medium is a scaled, networked medium and to succeed you need scale, you need onramps not just for fancy pants collectors like me who are willing to spend xxx ETH for a 1/1 RP but also constantly lower priced sub 1-ETH entry points
The Memes are explicitly modeled on the Rare Pepes, to offer inexpensive and expensive entry points, both on a per piece level and a set level.
Why? Because it is fun. I enjoy collecting NFTs, having some of these mechanics as in the RPs make the RP more fun for me, so when I see a good idea, I implement it.
4/ Cultural assets like NFTS follow power laws that are downstream of attention. We are currently playing for which one makes into the global power laws in the future (nobody has so far).
Are we done? Have we made it? Do they know us from Hong Kong to Zambia; from Norway to Egypt?
Nobody knows us at all. Barely anyone knows what an NFT is. The space is rudimentary, tiny, niche and most people in the space are nowhere near ambitious enough IMHO
5/ It is hard to find 3 good NFTs per week, relevant to our mission? Is this some type of trick question? When SuperRare was THE ELITE highly gate-kept art platform, did anyone say "they should not mint 3 NFTs per week, it is too many?"
The average quality of the NFTs in The Memes was always high but I think on the margin it is going up over time.
6/ What about blockchains, network states TDH, etc. I only allow myself (internal principle) in the context of a discussion like this to talk about things that do exist. What does TDH do today? It gives you a vote on the next card and it moves you up in the line to mint it. We will all discover together what if anything it does in the future noting that anyone can use it for whatever purpose they like.
7/ Having said all that, I do not care at all if anyone buys a Meme Card, let alone "a szn set or full set".
Everyone has the opportunity to decide 3x/week in 2025 if a specific meme card from a specific artist with a specific CC0 JPG in the broader context of what we are trying to do (promote decentralization) is worth more to them to see in their wallet than 0.06529 ETH.
How am I supposed to know for anyone other than myself what is going to make them happier? 0.06529, a Meme Card, a dinner out, a meme coin, AVAX, the S&P500, a nice bottle of wine.
I don't know, I can't know, I have no interest in knowing, we believe in maximum freedom around here including of course what economic or non economic decisions people want to make with their money
8/ By the same token as #7, we have an approach, we are going to continue this approach, if other people think other approaches are better, great! They should support those other approaches of other collections with their time or money and we will still be good friends!
I am an NFT maxi, I support anyone doing things in the NFT space and I am happy for anyone's success (and even failed good faith experiments)
9/ I am 100% transparent about what I am trying to accomplish in the NFT / social coordination space. All are welcome to participate conceptually, economically not at all or a lot or anything in between. It is all good.
10/ tl;dr - most NFT collections are far too small, we are playing to win, not to not-lose, we have no idea if we are right (nobody else does either) - we will only find out in retrospect, you should buy a meme card if it makes you happy and it is all good regardless!
Well, its not 'non-curated'. It's decentralized curation by the community instead of centralized curation by 6529/6529er. When you put the TDH generation on a curve by essentially doing 3 seasons a year, the inflation in the network currency (TDH) is still far less than something like bitcoin. The expectation is not that everyone is trying to keep full sets, it's pretty much been said since the beginning that this would be a difficult feat to keep up with, which is why theres only a few dozen people that have done it already. We are only at 10,000 addresses, if there was no ongoing supply increase in memes in the current model, no inflation at all from here or very minimal, it would be near guaranteed with exponential growth that current memes would quickly become prohibitively expensive and TDH difficult to obtain at all for newcomers. We have to scale. We want the highest quality of art for the memes, of course, this standard must be kept. But if we are really going to scale into a network state with millions of participants, have to consider the economics of TDH in it too.
you will see if you are subscribed and what "position in line" you are
look on the subscription tab for your problem
hi fam, how do i check if my phase 1 AL is under subscription?
nice gradient!
big day!
1/ via zero-knowledge proofs
2/ with a user selected option if they want to reveal themselves to be in the metadata
3/ what do I mean? what am I talking about? many countries have significant restrictions on speech - not just Russia or Turkey but even in some ways UK/EU or say lese-majesty rules in Thailand. We should allow for the option for someone to vote for a card without them being doxxed permanently that they voted for it
4/ obviously this is not todays problem, the cards are innocent but more for the future
5/ @[GelatoGenesis] @[6529er] @[prxt0] @[simo]
like the absolutely best way to do it would be