then the white paper network launch timing etc has to do with does one write the white paper before you are actually decentralized or not
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it needs me being more hands on on dev side for a few weeks and we will do it
i want to do it
this is straightforward good stuff
i want to in all case get out xtdh and stream
it is background
network state thread is not competitive with white paper
when do you think the white paper might come out? how do you view a network state thread vs a white paper? Does the network launch come much later than you previously thought?
also very hard
and as such very valuable
truly decentralized systems are very rare
we are not there yet
everything needs to be able to happen without me
for this to be a good system
but need to expand the scope of things that happen without me
so I will push again for a couple of months
still too much waiting around for me :)
still needs work
"marketing", "pushing forward", etc
meme card selection is pretty good without me now
we have made progress
but it should be resilient to that
ideally I will not be hit by a bus
it needs to be resilient to me getting hit by a bus
yes this is the only outcome that is interesting to me
Ah got it, failing #4 basically means no one’s “driving” the value, it’s just the network coordinating itself, right?
We were thinking how the same coordination flow that mints art could start powering IRL experiments. That’s where it gets interesting, when the protocol starts creating tangible outcomes without needing permission from any entity.
the default case is you get a pump and the a dump
almost every single idea DOES NOT work
in tokeneconomics
there are so so so so many landmines
"what if we contribute but don't reach the line and we have paid and nothing happens"
otherwise people worry about going first
oh that is fun
I don’t know why being secretive I’ll just put my idea here lol
Long story short, for my final round of wine samples I’m considering releasing a meme card with art. Anyone that buys will be able to redeem a case for themselves, and send a case to someone else in the 6529 network.
i will do a custom run of labels for that first run, and all funds will be used for sending bottles to people in the network. I will register the business as a profile on the network and have the 20 cards left there to grow tdh
otherwise people worry about going first
for larger amounts it needs some type of escrow mechanic in that it triggers only when a hurdles is met within a time frame I think
for the current project we long debated but it can't be done just with meme card due to specific constraints that restrict the total funding a meme card can provide... but found a way to integrate a meme card into the larger project for sure.
tax wise that there might be some IRS improvements coming
i think there is an interesting question about "the rest"
yeah along these lines
You had a whole mechanism for this you sketched out in Discord a few years ago - any major changes?
I could find it but it was the “allocation of revenue proportional to TDH“ method
whaddup
whatup punku
and then we expand from there
is to make sure that the people who do the day to day important work (e.g. development) are paid
the big question, risk post decentralization
lol
numer 3 is only satisfied if you are full degen
yes
Do you think it’s a good idea to start proposing ideas/activities/experiments as Meme Card submissions?
mostly we should aim to fail test #4
it is the most powerful one to fail
The **Howey Test** is the U.S. legal standard for determining whether a transaction qualifies as an **“investment contract”**—and therefore a **security**—under federal law. It comes from the 1946 Supreme Court case *SEC v. W.J. Howey Co.*
A transaction is an investment contract if it meets **all four prongs**:
1. **Investment of money** — participants contribute capital or something of value.
2. **In a common enterprise** — their fortunes are linked, either horizontally (with other investors) or vertically (with the promoter).
3. **With an expectation of profit** — investors expect returns.
4. **To be derived from the efforts of others** — profits depend primarily on the managerial or entrepreneurial work of someone else, not the investor.
If all four criteria are satisfied, the offering is a security subject to SEC regulation.
The test is deliberately broad: courts look at the **economic reality** rather than the label. It’s the framework the SEC applies to digital assets, token offerings, and other modern instruments when deciding if they fall under securities law.
there is no real basis for it to be a security
once the company is out of the way
i think it is doable
We were brainstorming at the bar after Hexum’s thread, sketching practical ways to make this happen while avoiding legal/security headaches.
i would not worry about the haters
more ambitious things
we should just do things
but this is inevitable
and you can explain until I am blue in the face