far far far far more
Context from
MintFace
#436721
2025-11-13 21:47
normies are far far more basic than we realise now. Biggest unlock was renaming 'crypto wallet' to 'art vault' and then people would download the app.
'why are all these numbers here?'
'oh just copy and paste the 0x one to me and I'll put your art in the vault'
there is no need to then say
or whatever
you earn TDH from the protocol NFTs
you can earn xTDH from NFTs curated by TDH holders
yes
Context from
MBStuart
#436714
2025-11-13 21:47
ELI5 what are we trying to achieve? Extending trust to things outside memes?
Sorry if a bit out of loop
needs to go together
and then figure out how to make it less confusing
we should not make the website even more confusing
we need to do both in parallel now
Context from
Zigmarillion
#436708
2025-11-13 21:46
This for sure is spot on. I get that the focus is on building now and we should keep focusing on that. But if we later want to onboard THAT will need to switch and become one of the main focus
people do not have mental bandwidth for confusing things
we need to work on becoming less confusing
we are already super confusing
TDH + xTDH = MegaTDH
I am proposing we do not tell people that when you add TDH + xTDH, you get TDH
I am not proposing a change to what was discussed before
yes but it is called xTDH
Context from
david
#436647
2025-11-13 21:35
if you don't use your xTDH you keep it locally?
TDH/xTDH: Some Thoughts
1/ cc @[simo] @[prxt0] @[GelatoGenesis] @[6529er]
2/ Something that has been bothering me and I was not able to articulate it until last night in my head
3/ nobody has heard this not even the dev team so here goes
4/ TDH + xTDH = TDH is going to confuse the fuck out of everyone and is dumb. It is like saying 5 + 3 = 5. Also it makes it really hard to explain the % of TDH you are allowed to allocate - is it the former or the latter?
5/ We need to go with: TDH and xTDH. There is no need for a composite measure that is TDH + xTDH. xTDH can just be added to your Level and any particular wave can decide if it allows voting with TDH, xTDH or both
6/ Beyond the communication confusion, there are other benefits of this change:
a) TDH is immutable. xTDH is not. It is important to not mix this up
b) TDH can be calculated very decentralized. xTDH is heavier, less so
c) TDH is unchanging. xTDH will change (multipler, does it go multi-chain etc)
d) I think it is important that they have different names due to the above too
Discuss
it is complicated
team continuing the good fight with xTDH
going to bed
yes agreed
all the rest is pretty clear to me
1/ this
2/ what xTDH does (want to take it for a test run before WP)
3/ ZK
the three hardest decisions are
in any case, we will discuss
then you get into the question of "what do you do with them"
on mainnet
now if you keep them in a wallet
it is effectively providing liquidity so the infrastructure grants can be cashed out
in the fullness of time, we can go anywhere
scattering liquidity is unhelpful
better to get big and successful in one place
but i would not rush
yes in time
Context from
david
#432023
2025-11-11 00:14
would stream mint to any chain or just mainnet? and the network proceeds from stream burn the tokens as well
it is not an in-network ponzi
here there is actual ETH coming in from actual art science etc
and end up just ponzing
it is just 99% of burn narratives are self-reflexive
people understand the burn narrative
should be network wide
there is a % factor we decide on emissions
yes
Context from
david
#432011
2025-11-11 00:10
so the mint proceeds buy and burn the tokens and then the proposal distributions come from new emissions?
burns $6529 token
"where does the ETH go"
it is also a simpler narrative
using tokens on other chains to buy and burn is probably simpler / cleaner
i think we keep voting proposals distribution on our chain
the memes could go to any other chain too in the future
and in principle
it is not just 5 ETH to simo or whatever