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punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476306 2025-12-09 19:51
so this is the benefit of my incrementalist approach
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476304 2025-12-09 19:51
a superb idea as always ser
Context from maybe #476302 2025-12-09 19:50
What if we introduce xTDH to ct and then just rug them after they come check everything out and get sold on what we’re building
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476303 2025-12-09 19:51
and it is not great for that audience
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476301 2025-12-09 19:50
it starts to look like eigenlayer or something
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476300 2025-12-09 19:50
if I then add into it indexers, oracles, incentives etc etc
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476299 2025-12-09 19:50
I can explain in 5 sentences why it is 'safe'
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476296 2025-12-09 19:50
and say "TDH is extremely robust on decentralization"
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476294 2025-12-09 19:49
which is going to hard core OG crypto decentralization maxis
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476292 2025-12-09 19:49
and I am thinking about an audience that almost none of you are thinking about
Context from punk6529 #476290 2025-12-09 19:48
that TDH is extremely robust decentralized
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476291 2025-12-09 19:49
i am saying that this is another use case that is not covered by current implementation of xTDH
Context from david #476289 2025-12-09 19:48
in which case the people assigning the xTDH have to trust the indexer essentially
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476290 2025-12-09 19:48
that TDH is extremely robust decentralized
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476288 2025-12-09 19:48
because then you can have a cleaner story
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476286 2025-12-09 19:48
lets' have TDH and xTDH and not add them up to TDH
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476284 2025-12-09 19:48
this is what I was getting at a few weeks ago
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476280 2025-12-09 19:48
so if that is the case, I should be able to allocate green bay packers xTDH
punk6529 Freedom to Expand Reply #476279 2025-12-09 19:47
it is because you are inside the sausage making factory while the sausage is being made
Context from purchardus #476277 2025-12-09 19:47
This is all so complicated
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476278 2025-12-09 19:47
and so I think we should allow the green bay packers to do this
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476274 2025-12-09 19:46
but of course my database is in fact privately indexable
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476272 2025-12-09 19:46
but of course my database is not publicly indexable
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476263 2025-12-09 19:45
pros 1/ yes you can expand network, etc etc 2/ also I think xTDH is probably not the final state, I think it is a subset of a bigger idea
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476261 2025-12-09 19:45
they cannot socialize the cost on everyone else
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476258 2025-12-09 19:44
the person ordering the lobster needs to pay for the lobster
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476255 2025-12-09 19:44
if you want to put an absurdly inefficient transaction on ethereum
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476253 2025-12-09 19:44
why should the whole network have to pay for your absurdly expensive xTDH allocation
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476250 2025-12-09 19:43
so this is the problematica part
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476247 2025-12-09 19:43
so that obviously can't e the way
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476246 2025-12-09 19:43
they are imposing a huge cost on someone
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476244 2025-12-09 19:43
so at a tiny cost to the person
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476243 2025-12-09 19:43
someone wants to allocate 1 xTDH total, split across every Solana holder
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476237 2025-12-09 19:42
the con part is "how do you pay them"
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476236 2025-12-09 19:42
1/ vastly expands the complexity of indexing (unbounded) 2/ means you can't force each node to do it because you then lose decentralization 3/ which means you then need specialized indexers 4/ they can consolidate their indexing into a provable form using ZKP and pass it into a transaction so far, so good, there are no problems in principle with the above
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476233 2025-12-09 19:41
like let me give you the pros and cons
punk6529 Freedom to Expand #476232 2025-12-09 19:41
so I reserve my right to see how we like it centralized before making the final architectural approach